Posts by The Leological One

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How long have you been on the Internet? and ..

by Brummie in

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which is the 1st exjw site you posted on?.

i didnt get on until 1999 and posted on randys wt world and h20 occasionally.

also larry ingmans chat.... any of you used to post or chat there?

The Leological One

I have only been using the internet for 2-3 years now since I started college. And until this last fall, maybe winter, have not even considered looking at "apostate material", but after my Dfing I have needed someone who understood my peculiar issues and hoped sincerely to find real and true friends. I've never had any real or close friends beyond my family. At times, my family haven't really been my friends, like now. It has only been in the last few days that I have decided to come out of the closet of my husband's moniker and post as Leo's wife. I still, yet, need to get my own moniker. How do I do that?

Leo's wife

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what song couldn't you listen to....

by loosie in

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what is the most ridiculous song that you couldn't listen too.. because of so called bad lyircs (maybe misheard lyrics), sexy beat or because fo the person who sang it didn't have the proper morals?.

mine.... couldn't listen to ac/dc because it meant they went both ways.

The Leological One

Pretty much everything but oldies rock was suspect. I personally had my own qualms about listening to Love Shack, Love in an Elevator, and others. I remember being really interested in the radio when my cousin had MTV for awhile, but my religiosity would not let me continue to listen to the radio as everything was suspect fro giving me sexual ideas and I was trying to quit masturbating because I wanted to have "nothing to be ashamed of" as a Christian witness. But this still did not let me forgive myself for even starting. To this day I still have a complex about it. I have wet dreams of me masturbating instead of dreaming about my mate. Isn't that sad?

Leo's wife

P.S. Now I listen to whatever I want within reason. Yes, there were some bad oldies songs, too. But now I am not so anal that I absolutely have to change the channel each time i hear something offensive unless it really is. Such as the song where the guy sings about getting "little bit" of every girl he sees. that makes me ill because it seems that the watchtower is right about the attitude of those outside of the bOrg.

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Were You Always Afraid To Do Something Wrong As A Witness?

by minimus in

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jws are always being reminded that you "could" stumble someone.

you had to continuously question yourself about possibly offending another (weak) christian's conscience.....were you always worried that you were going to get into trouble because you might've screwed up somehow??.

The Leological One

I have to say that some of the attitudes presented here are very shocking and offensive to a person who always tried to do what was right and never put on a show for other people. I have to say that I always felt guilty for some reason or another. I never fit in with the other children because they were always putting on a show of piety but never standing fast for the "truth". I even felt ashamed for the thought of masturbating. Of course, I was molested and I felt an even greater necessity to be more than perfect in my walk because people would judge me harshly and condemn me if they had only known that my father molested me. My family had to move out of state in order to get some peace from that issue. Of course, because my father was df'd within a month after the state took me away from home, I thought that JW's had the truth. I worked so hard to do everything right it made me sick. I tried so hard to be a perfect witness and was a shamed because of my very thoughts that I wanted a normal relationship with a man. I felt like I was going to be made into some kind of nun. I knew that I had mental episodes even at the thought of a relationship with a brother since I had been sexually abused by my father and my first fiancé, who was also a brother. I did not believe that I could find a really generous and kind person who would treat me with respect.

I found one friend, a brother, who treat me that well, but even he could not help but throw the molestation in my face. I went crazy again and began to get suicidal because I could never get away from that stigma. I decided that I would take up with a man, Leological, who had been listening to all of my struggles with aspiring to be married and being utterly rejected and left for the wolves to pick by bones dry. I needed protection, so I got married to a non-JW which did not go over well with the congregation. I ended up getting Df'd this last fall and have felt extremely ashamed for ever sinning against God, but I could not help but think that God understood my plight and forgave me for all of my weaknesses as I have clinical depression which has ruled over my very existence. I have been unable to work for a few years now. But I am in College and still find one thing or another that sets off my PTSD. Anyway, I hoping to find some people who truly are understanding and know what it is like to have been truly sincere as a dub their whole lives. I need comforting friends who will not tear me down because I wanted so much to be good so that God would take his terrible curse off of me and protect me from the abusers and advantage takers of this life. If there is anybody out there who can truly relate to my issues please PM Leo's wife through this moniker.

Thank you,

Leo's wife

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Help me out with some feedback: How to build trust with jw cult identity

by Check_Your_Premises in

please give me any input, comments, typos, criticisms, whatever.

all input is welcome.. .

building trust and rapport with the jehovah?s witness cult identity .

The Leological One

This was written in word. I guess some of the formatting didn't transfer. Try to focus on the content.

Darn~! I've gotten way behind in studying for my physiology test tomorrow, but I'm definitely going to come back to read this when I get a break~! Thanks for posting this!

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Daniel's Prophecy, 605 BCE or 624 BCE?

by Little Bo Peep in

hello all, i've been reading your site for a couple of years now, and have found, for the most part, it to be very helpful.

i must say, at first i was very "scared" at what i might find, but contrary to what i grew up learning, there is a "wealth" of information outside of the watchtower organization.

i haven't attended meetings for about two years now, and like many i've read about, have spent many hours researching, telling myself "i'm not wrong for searching", and doing more research.

The Leological One

AlanF,

In addition to Narkissos' comments, I will add that the Watchtower's interpretation of the 70 weeks of Daniel apply from 455 B.C. to 36 A.D. They try to establish the 455 date (incorrectly, it turns out) completely independently from the way they try to get the 607 date, so as Narkissos said, one has nothing to do with the other.
AlanF

Thanks so much for your relpy~! I thought I'd read in a Christian commentary something concerning a 445 BC date but was really busy getting ready to study for some tests for school and so just skimmed over it, but my wife did mention the WT had the date you mentioned of 455 BC. Thanks for helping reinforce that the 607 BC and 29 CE dates aren't part of the same situation, and it's great reading your posts here~!

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Daniel's Prophecy, 605 BCE or 624 BCE?

by Little Bo Peep in

hello all, i've been reading your site for a couple of years now, and have found, for the most part, it to be very helpful.

i must say, at first i was very "scared" at what i might find, but contrary to what i grew up learning, there is a "wealth" of information outside of the watchtower organization.

i haven't attended meetings for about two years now, and like many i've read about, have spent many hours researching, telling myself "i'm not wrong for searching", and doing more research.

The Leological One

Narkissos,

In the WT chronology 29 AD (or, should I write, CE) is unrelated to the 607 BC / 1914 AD issue. But the confusion might come from the fact that the WT links the 29-33-36 dates to another passage of Daniel, namely the 70 weeks of chapter 9. In this perspective 29 (Jesus' baptism) is supposed to be the beginning of the 70th week of years, 33 (Jesus' death) the middle of the week and 36 (the mission to the Gentiles, starting with Cornelius' baptism) the end of the week.
Of course this has nothing to do with the actual meaning of Daniel (referring to current events in the 2nd century BC), but a similar interpretation can be found in other Christian traditions as well.
See for instance http://www.preteristarchive.com/StudyArchive/d/daniel_seventy-weeks.html

Thanks for answering BOTH my and my wife's threads~! That was really cool of you.

I had a feeling the 29 CE date wasn't part of the whole 607/586/587 debate but really wasn't sure. Thanks again for the reply and the other great posts on this and the other threads I've read!

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Do Your Neighbors Think You're Nuts?

by prophecor in

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do you socialize with your neighbors?

everyone knows how we as a religious group only socialized with each other, then when inside the hall, we only associated with a select few, those who were deemed worthy of our association.

now that you are out, or in varying degrees of staying within the borg, are you allowing yourself to get out and mingle amongst those in your community?

The Leological One

I would have to say that all people are my neighbors and that all of them have at one time thought me especially crazy. Growing up as a JW did not help my social skills at all. I was too busy defending myself and JWs and making excuses as to why even the JWs were not really friendly toward me.

Anyway, in the last few years, I have been suffering from a complete and utter nervous breakdown for all of the social neglect and lack of friends who thought I was worthy of association. But, in reality, I cannot blame all of my problems on JW doctrine. I must say that those who have been abused have their own peculiar thoughts and are rarely fully understood. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is a real pain. I do have to say that I was very big on telling everybody else that they were going to die if they didn't change, whilst I went off my rocker trying to keep from being sexually abused again by those who were not related to me. not that I wanted to be related to them either. I believe that my strange manerisms due to being molested accompanied with the beliefs of JWs and my own personal feeling of low self esteem just combined to make me look and sound like the craziest person on earth.

Have any of the rest of you had a complete nervous breakdown from being neglected socially, at home and in public? I really felt super-horrible about the strange things that came out of my mouth because I felt like I was basically wicked, that God had predestined me for being a wicked person so that I would have all that most wicked horrible things happen to me. Have you ever felt that if you even complained a little about being molested by someone who referred to himself as a brother that you were being disloyal to God and his "Spirit Anointed Priests"?

I felt that i ws proof of something wicked that had happened in God's midst and that if I did not keep my mouth shut, I would be called an apostate even when I needed someone to listen to my heart and comfort me. Anyone that has gone through that situation has the right to be angry, even at God, until it is explained that God does not blame them for what a wicked adult does. Is there anyone out there that can empathize with my inability to behave normally around most people, so that all people perceive me as crazy?

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Re: 70 weeks of years prophecy: What was the beginning date for that?

by The Leological One in

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friends

all bible readers who are interested in proving the timing for the messiah would be familiar with the 70 weeks of years prophecy mentioned in daniel chapter 9. are there any discrepancies in the watchtower's dating of 29 c.e.?.

from what i just read out of the daniel book, the call to restore jerusalem came out in 455 b.c.e.

is this accurate?

The Leological One

Thank you for posting. I had never been told of any other way to interpret the scripture there in Daniel. This has long since been described as prophecy fortelling when the Messiah would appear. But thank you anyway.

Leo's wife

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Re: 70 weeks of years prophecy: What was the beginning date for that?

by The Leological One in

jw
friends

all bible readers who are interested in proving the timing for the messiah would be familiar with the 70 weeks of years prophecy mentioned in daniel chapter 9. are there any discrepancies in the watchtower's dating of 29 c.e.?.

from what i just read out of the daniel book, the call to restore jerusalem came out in 455 b.c.e.

is this accurate?

The Leological One

All Bible readers who are interested in proving the timing for the Messiah would be familiar with the 70 weeks of years prophecy mentioned in Daniel chapter 9. Are there any discrepancies in the Watchtower's dating of 29 C.E.?

From what I just read out of the Daniel book, the call to restore Jerusalem came out in 455 B.C.E. Is this accurate? What secular evidence do we have for Christ's appearance in 29 C.E.? The disciple Luke mentions in Chapter 3 that the Messiah appeared in the fifteenth year of Tiberius Caesar when Pontius Pilate and Herod were ruling Judea and Galilee, respectively. Is this accurate?

There has been an argument over 607BCE and 539BCE and frankly it makes me question whether the 455BCE date was accurate in fortelling the Messiah. Since the Bible has to harmonize throughout it's pages to be proven true, its prophecies must be accurately predicted.

Curious,

Leo's Wife

Re: 70 weeks of years prophecy: What was the beginning date for that?

by The Leological One in

jw
friends

all bible readers who are interested in proving the timing for the messiah would be familiar with the 70 weeks of years prophecy mentioned in daniel chapter 9. are there any discrepancies in the watchtower's dating of 29 c.e.?.

from what i just read out of the daniel book, the call to restore jerusalem came out in 455 b.c.e.

is this accurate?

The Leological One

All Bible readers who are interested in proving the timing for the Messiah would be familiar with the 70 weeks of years prophecy mentioned in Daniel chapter 9. Are there any discrepancies in the Watchtower's dating of 29 C.E.?

From what I just read out of the Daniel book, the call to restore Jerusalem came out in 455 B.C.E. Is this accurate? What secular evidence do we have for Christ's appearance in 29 C.E.? The disciple Luke mentions in Chapter 3 that the Messiah appeared in the fifteenth year of Tiberius Caesar when Pontius Pilate and Herod were ruling Judea and Galilee, respectively. Is this accurate?

There has been an argument over 607BCE and 539BCE and frankly it makes me question whether the 455BCE date was accurate in fortelling the Messiah. Since the Bible has to harmonize throughout it's pages to be proven true, its prophecies must be accurately predicted.

Curious,

Leo's Wife